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Posted by sun2 on July 06 2008, 17:55 PM GMT This article is an eye opener , So far i have been supporting ECB on the stance of Banning Zimbabwe from Cricket , but I don't see the logic anymore, Because this article made me ask ..why just cricket? What Gordon Brown has done for Darfur, or Tibet? This is just a political ploy and nothing else. But this does not mean that i support the atrocities of General Mugabe. Hope the Zimbabweans find peace soon .. and neither i am supporting the thugs of BCCI who have no morals, so to say it never made a difference, BCCI and ZC are just brothers from different mothers. Posted by pun8max on July 06 2008, 17:24 PM GMT zingzangspillip: I never claimed India is inherently superior, all I did was to point out the hypocrisy in the western media including ESPN-cricinfo. They want Indian money but western control, but when it comes to UN or World Bank, their stand is reversed. All international organizations are controlled by them because there the principle is "payer calls the tune". In theory all countries have equal voting power in general assembly but control over budget and security council vetos give them power beyond that envisaged. Thus, whole world can keep crying foul but they can go to war in Iraq, create and dethrone monsters as dictators at will, change governments, etc as and when it is convenient to them. It is not a consolation for the world to know that Bush and his cronies went to war against the wishes of their people and media. At best, it shows that democracy is non-existent even in the countries that project themselves as keepers of conscience and at worst their own complicity. Posted by BangaloreKid on July 06 2008, 11:25 AM GMT BCCI should look at playing tests and one-day games between the IPL franchises in addition to T20s. They should look at these franchises play each other for 5-6 months (hopefully 8 months in a few years from now) in an year (a proper mix of tests, one days, and T20s. They should commit to minimum international tours so as to maintain their international status. May be IPL will open franchises in SL, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Dubai and play these franchises much more than play international tours. I don't mind one bit watching these franchise games as opposed to international tours. Why provide 70% of the finances to the ICC and then get bad mouthed by this UN body all the time? Let ECB provide the ICC with 70% of their finances and run their politics. Frankly, I don't care what happens to ICC. After IPL, there are many people who are content with just watching domestic franchises play. Posted by karthi52 on July 06 2008, 09:59 AM GMT To all the cricket boards.If the boards continue to fight like this ,then how will the cricket develop in other countries. how others look at cricket. it useless in criticizing ICC. what i have got is that icc is just a organisation from all members.criticising icc is like criticising themselves.already we have seen enough fight in the india VS australia and in eng VS nz too. i accept that bcci is only for money.but they havent ruined the cricket. the fact is all the asian countries are properly paid by the bcci. asian countries are playing properly. have ECB given ateast given any single penny to european countries?are they touring any european countries?are they developing ireland or scotland?it is the responsibilityof all the boards to develop the cricket.icc cant do many things,since all the 8 test playing nations are playing bilateral cricket war with many fights for the full year.then there is no window for the cricket.Time to think for all the boards.especially BCCI,ECB,CA. Posted by karthi52 on July 06 2008, 07:37 AM GMT hai archprakash .great. very nice comment from you.i am very much happy about ur comments.if you go and see the threads from the bbc articles,all the comments will be against bcci and india and ipl.And they like stanford very much. what is more pathetic is that the whole bbc team as same as their people. in between the public comments,the moderator come and post a message in replying to others which is against.and bbc is more worst than their people Posted by jedjfdp on July 06 2008, 04:31 AM GMT Nice one with actual facts>> The problem with BCCI is having a politician at the top. He is in there for money, power and politics. He is not gone care for anything else. Moral issues ... what moral issues??? Posted by Zordrac on July 06 2008, 02:00 AM GMT Part of the problem with dealing with the Zimbabwe issue is the fact that this isn't your normal "white minority abusing black majority" or even a "white majority abusing black minority". This is in fact a "black majority abusing white minority". Because we as an international community aren't used to this kind of behaviour, therefore we don't know how to deal with it. Any time that anyone tries to bring it up, Robert Mugabe claims that they are just racist against the blacks of Zimbabwe. The fact that it has gone beyond abusing whites (because they are all either dead or else have fled, with a scant few still remaining) is glossed over by Robert Mugabe's regime. He still plays the race card. This will be seen in history as a prime example of how racism is not just whites being bad to blacks. Racism is any discrimination. Here is an example of blacks abusing whites, and of blacks abusing blacks and pretending that it is okay because to say it is bad is racism. Posted by Duckman on July 05 2008, 23:52 PM GMT Zimbabwe Cricket has stolen tens of millions of dollars from the ICC - although this was never proven because the findings of an INDEPENDANT audit committee was never released. Even their own players (Andy Flower, Henry Olonga et al) believe that cricket in the nation has been destroyed. They can't field a competitive team in any form of cricket, so why should they retain full membership of the ICC and receive further millions in funding? Answer - because the nations aligned with INDIA will all bow to the pressure of the all-too powerful BCCI. The longer these pariahs like Chingoka stay in charge the richer they will become and the poorer cricket will be for it. The ICC should be ashamed. Posted by ChinmayD on July 05 2008, 21:21 PM GMT There is absolutely no case for Zimbabwe to be disqualified from playing in T20 Championships as long as they are allowed to participate in Olympics. Absolutely no case at all. Dileep rightly points out that in South Africa's case, SA were already thrown out of Olympics before they got banned from Cricket. There is case, however, for Zim's status as a full member to be revoked for playing very badly. In such a case, they should be reverted back to associate member status and allowed to play in Qualification tournaments for the T20 World Cup. However, this is the chief reason why this was a political and not a cricketing problem. Zimbabwe would have qualified for T20 WC as an associate member. Somehow, I can't see ECB liking that. As far as BCCI wanting to preserve their votebank goes, they didn't need to. They already have 5 votes (4 asian countries plus WI) to depend on in a 9 member ICC. Posted by Irishfan on July 05 2008, 19:52 PM GMT Banning Zimbabwe from sporting organizations will do nearly nothing to improve the situation in that country. Certainly, no one in that country is going to care if ICC or even FIFA ban them. A ban from the IOC might carry a little more weight, but face it, will Mugabe say "Oh, we are expelled from ICC. I better hand over the government to Tsangirai and the officials the people actually voted for." No. I say temporarily suspend them personally...but I only wish that such tough level of discussion was going on amongst the African Council or UN instead of a mere sporting body.
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